Sunday, 19 January 2014

Comments on "ICT Aid projects in Africa - Why so many failures?"

I got a lot of comments on this article, but the article was printed in many places, and so the comments were dotted around. I thought it might be useful to bring them together in one place.

On the Human Resources Africa Group Steve Oloo said:
"May be its because the Projects lacked good visibility study. another thing that happens in Africa and in my case I can speak of Kenya. you find that the Government can change policies and tax in a day thus making the equipments outsourced to be expensive than initially planned hence going for cheaper options that are generally expensive... another thing that happens is that the level of poverty in Africa is too much that the creativity is diverted in the line of vandalism of ICT projects...one example is the fiber-optics which is the best invention and thought to be useful to ICT only but people in Africa vandalize the just to make illuminating flowers structures to sell to the public thus hindering its usefulness...
the right personnel is also a problem since Africa , Kenya in particular see papers rather than what you can do.... Lastly the level of corruption in Africa is so deep that even a good project for all humanity must be bribed so as to be implemented..making the initial cost be peanuts compared to the cost of implementation...."


On Africa - All Things Business Phil Johnny said:
"ICT projects failure in Africa is largely due to [ LACK of will power, dedication, commitment & passion] to ensure that people in Africa benefit from Information & Communication technology which they rightly deserve. Conflict & Corruption have been plaging the continent for years. There is no doubt tons of investment opportunities in Africa but without the right people (Authorities) in the corridors of power, things could easily get out of control and no one will be seen to account for the mess. Moreover, when the willingness and readiness to make needed sacrifices is not in the hearts of the leaders, all else fails. Therefore, a COMPLETE & GENUINE CHANGE OF ATTITUDE is absolutely necessary."

 On Accra Business Club - Africa | Ghana | Networking Andrew Brookes said:
"Tim great piece - very astute.
One obvious resource for ICT in Africa and other developing countries (India)is LInux and other free source software; but because the general ethos is that because people (e.g Ricard Stallman and GNU) don't charge there is next to no money to support projects. Microsoft on the other hand has a better business model ,so what it decides to get behind usually doesn't fail
Secondly it seems to me there is no thought or co-ordination by say the Ghana Government to take the data it has on official registered NGO's concerned with ICT and link activities together.
As you say some projects are maybe vague. What about this project i've been working on- You take the school wiki download a quality E-encyclodpedia of 6000 articles, 26 million words and 50,000 images which has been checked and based on the UK curriculum( http://schools-wikipedia.org) you enhance it with a search function and work out how say 10 or more children would be able to use it with a set up of server/client.
see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkCjzlVQ6_g&feature=youtu.be
There would be potential to "personalize" the system if scholars and historians contributed since the E-Encyclopedia is basically a bunch of web pages that can easily be edited. Since the set up involves a web server there is the capacity to use it to teach children construction of web pages, CSS style sheets and computer languages such as PHP.
I have had a previous meeting with the ICT co-ordinator of the Ministry of Education in Accra, and I bet if I was sitting opposite him now and put the above to him I wouldn't be surprised if he could even comprehend the possible value of such a project.
Microsoft on the other hand has just appointed Otema Yirenkyi in Ghana; what I can imagine is if Microsoft comes and says "we have the money, the ideas etc so you don't have to do much " then its easy for those with lack of imagination, vision and leadership to just go along with it.
Personally I am not against Microsoft and admire their business model ; also there is potential for joint projects such as LInux servers and Windows clients
"
  

I replied:
"I agree fully with you Andrew. I wrote an article here http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/africa-and-open-source-software.html on the subject of why African governments should look to open source as a way of building a local IT industry.
I do believe that if these governments invested the money they spent on foreign IT products and services in a local open sourced based IT industry everybody except the multinationals would gain,
I have set out in that article how I envisioned this working.
Very much like your wikipedia for schools. Have you tried the Ministry for Education? I am sure you are correct in what you would expect from them. I have previously come across the "if it's not American and expensive how can it be any good" philosophy in Govt departments. There are potentially donor organisations that could help.
"

Andrew Brookes commented:
"cheers Tim
from the perspective of an Educational resource which could be extended , I can not at the moment imagine a better one than the school wiki with search facility.When you say there are potentially donor organisations that could help, could you elaborate a little on who they may be and how I can contact them?
One problem I have is that I went through quite a few hoops to get an NGO registered in Ghana but don't have anything registered in the UK. I did try to get support in the U.K but the feedback is " we don't help organizations or charities unless they are UK registered"!
I am not keen to bang my head against a brick dealing with UK possible EU bureaucracy to be honest"

And I replied: 
"Getting money for an African NGO or other charitable organisation directly from western countries is very hard. Too much money vanished down that hole in the past. Going through a UK/EU based organisation provides any donor with some legal recourse if funds go missing.
However there are UK based organisations that already have this link between UK and Africa in place. One such that immediately springs to mind for your project is http://www.africaeducationaltrust.org which is UK based but works in Africa. There are others than could possibly help.
I have some other contacts that could possibly help. Contact me on tim.schofield1960@gmail.com if you would like us to try and work together to get this moving


On Windhoek Business Club - Namibia Ashraf Bharmal said:
"Wrong projects for wrong reasons. There are cases of spectacular successes too but few and far apart."
and Salehe Khatibu replied: 
"poor management of them "
and I said:
"@Ashraf Agreed. I feel that many donor organisations get this balance wrong because of a lack of local knowledge. A person or group is sent to Africa to evaluate the project. They stay in a luxury tourist hotel, are entertained by local people eager to say whatever they think is needed to be said to get the money flowing. None of this is wrong, but means that they don't get a clear view of what is needed and the people locally will not always tell them for fear that the project will not go ahead. 
@Salehe Very true. Project management skills are some of the hardest to learn, rarest, but least appreciated skills going. Bad leadership will cause failure whatever else happens"

On Dar es Salaam Business Club - Tanzania Catherine Mkude said:
"Dear all, My name is Catherine G. Mkude and I am a PhD researcher at the University of Koblenz-Landau in Germany working on a framework for e-government systems design for developing countries. In my research, I am investigating e-government strategies, programmes and projects (applications, infrastructures, comprehensive solutions, etc.) in developed and in developing countries. In doing so, I want to determine how developing countries can leverage from the more successful e-government endeavours in developed countries.
I am currently in a stage of collecting information on experiences, practices and solutions in 5 domains of e-government implementation in developed and developing countries. These domains are (1) electronic public services, (2) electronic participation, (3) application of information and communication technologies (ICT) in policy making processes, (4) e-government infrastructure and, (5) evaluation and sustainability of e-government.
Therefore I would like to kindly ask you to participate in a survey, which investigates these domains through separate questionnaires. I would highly appreciate if you could fill in one (or even more) of the below questionnaires. The responses for the questionnaires are entirely confidential and anonymous.
The following links direct you to the respective questionnaire per domain. The approximated time to fill in a questionnaire is also indicated below. Please choose the link(s) of the domain(s) you feel most comfortable to answer.

  1. Domain electronic public services: http://cmkude.limequery.com/index.php/983413/lang-en. Approximate time is 40 minutes.
  2. Domain electronic participation: http://cmkude.limequery.com/index.php/388819/lang-en. Approximate time is 40 minutes.
  3.  Domain ICT in policy making: http://cmkude.limequery.com/index.php/776413/lang-en. Approximate time is 35 minutes.
  4. Domain e-government infrastructure: http://cmkude.limequery.com/index.php/375388/lang-en. Approximate time is 30 minutes.
  5. Domain e-government evaluation and sustainability: http://cmkude.limequery.com/index.php/582399/lang-en. Approximate time is 30 minutes.
In advance I appreciate and thank you for your time and contributions. If you are aware of someone who I can ask to fill in either of the questionnaires, please let me know by email and I will invite them. Thank you and kind regards,  Catherine G. Mkude. "
Ashraf Bharmal said:
"Hope you paper will produce some positive results. Best wishes and Good luck"
Leticia Slame said:
"Hello Tim, it quiet interesting that has been my question why ICT Project fail to successed and if they successed it wont last long and most of the people have negative response, I will be glad if I get the reasons. "
and Ashraf Bharmal said:
"My Take:
1. Politically expeditious projects
2 Poor planning
3 FEEDS and Feasibilities , Colorfully printed, beautifully bound and presented, full of sound and fury in which affected sectors, people have no say.
4. Foreign contractors, not involving local entities in the project from the beginning who would gain hand on experience of the project, instead of six week orientation seminars at the end of the completed projects
5. Lack of post project planning of operating, maintaining."


On KwaMoja - Open Source ERP for Africa Nicholas Mmasi said:
"-Too many unfair side deals...people want to spend money and write a good report
- Demotivated staff ,less communication and unclear benefit of the system to the operating staff.
- No plan for sustainability right from the beginning,so once the donor pulls out the things end up there.
-Unrealistic requirements and system rationale... "

and I replied
"Hi Nicholas,
"-Too many unfair side deals...people want to spend money and write a good report "
I agree, I have seen too many "stage managed" visits by donors to sites where people at the sites have been given money to back up a false report.
"- Demotivated staff ,less communication and unclear benefit of the system to the operating staff. "
This is what I meant by lack of good project management. It is the job of the project management to motivate and communicate with staff.
"- No plan for sustainability right from the beginning,so once the donor pulls out the things end up there. "
Excellent point. Sustainability is some thing I should have gone into greater length about in the article. Who maintains once the donor leaves. Where does the financing of that support come from? "

Nicholas said:
"Hi Tim, Donors also have bad policies that are not applicable in Africa.I have been going around trying to see why so many projects fails eve before donors pulls out.
Almost all project are in pilot mode/Nursery and never get out of the lab.Similar scenarios are readily available and visible in areas of agriculture(farming technology and techniques), small scale industries, bio-gas,ICT, healthy ,and many more....
I normally find them in exhibitions only.... "

and I replied:
"Hi Nicholas, sadly you are right, despite most involved having the best intentions. I don't believe that it is necessary though, with some changes in policy and outlook a much higher percentage will succeed. There will always be failures but the failure rate shouldn't be this low. Tim "

On Information and Technology Lisa Schnellinger said:
"Excellent points. From my experience, I think they are often true of all types of development projects, in all regions. "

On Monrovia Business Club - Africa | Liberia | Networking Deodatus Shayo said:
 "Lack of ownership "

On Harare Business Club - Zimbabwe | Southern Africa Viola Marufu said:
"Tim, you have an interesting article. Interesting that you list your perspective as statements made from observations of certain African projects which does not necessarily implying that all projects are run like this. However, you should note that the major reason why some donors want local community members to staff and manage projects, rather than outsiders is because the locals know their community better and thats another way of empowering the community. Furthermore, it does not justify the expense of getting an outsider, so to speak, than getting an equally qualified local staff member.
You also say that ICT projects are a newer idea in Africa than in the west and there is limited number of qualified local project managers available. Thats not necessarily true. ICT projects are welcome and expanding in Africa. The current development is the spread of ICT effectively in rural communities and schools. In most areas the major setback is electrification. They are more and more qualified business people, educationists, economists and ordinary people who have well advanced ICT skills. So it is not necessarily an issue of skill but they are other factors influencing this. You are mixing points here.Furthermore if jobs are advertised, the right candidates apply for the job.
Then you say project employees are more interested in perpetuating the project than completing it, they prolong the project for personal interest etc. That is true where the project itself is not well managed. There is always need for an independent Monitoring and Evaluation exercise. They are also independent auditors.
A project that is really interested in benefiting the country in which its operating in will not wait to get a report on their desk. They will also put in measures to ensure all is well. This would be true no matter where the project runs. Whether its in Africa or the West, there is always need for accountability. "

I replied:
"Hi Viola, Thanks for your interesting comments. Firstly I should make clear that I am not nor have I ever been part of a donor organisation. I write from the perspective of someone who has either worked in, or observed many projects.
"Interesting that you list your perspective as statements made from observations of certain African projects which does not necessarily implying that all projects are run like this" - I agree, I tried to make the point I was writing from personal experience only, and was trying to answer why it appeared to me the failure rate was higher than normal in donor funded ICT projects. There is a high failure rate in all ICT projects.The UK NHS IT project is one of the most high profile failures.
"However, you should note that the major reason why some donors want local community members to staff and manage projects, rather than outsiders is because the locals know their community better and thats another way of empowering the community. Furthermore, it does not justify the expense of getting an outsider, so to speak, than getting an equally qualified local staff member. " - obviously it makes sense to employ local staff, my company always has, it keeps money within the local community. However my experience of projects where only local staff work has not been good, for reasons I said. It requires a balance that few projects actually have.
"You also say that ICT projects are a newer idea in Africa than in the west and there is limited number of qualified local project managers available. Thats not necessarily true. ICT projects are welcome and expanding in Africa. The current development is the spread of ICT effectively in rural communities and schools. In most areas the major setback is electrification. They are more and more qualified business people, educationists, economists and ordinary people who have well advanced ICT skills. So it is not necessarily an issue of skill but they are other factors influencing this. You are mixing points here.Furthermore if jobs are advertised, the right candidates apply for the job. " - Well again I can only comment from my own experience. Recruiting qualified local staff has always been a problem. I have regularly trawled the universities, and advertised extensively. I am not saying that there are not capable African staff, just that either they are either in private industry, or moved to the west. I have also seen many projects run by project managers with little or no training in project management. I tried in the article to understand why this is. Project management skills are very different from ICT skills.
"Then you say project employees are more interested in perpetuating the project than completing it, they prolong the project for personal interest etc. That is true where the project itself is not well managed. There is always need for an independent Monitoring and Evaluation exercise. They are also independent auditors. " - That is the point I was trying to make. It is human nature to make the projects last when you are earning money from it. The fault lies in the agencies not managing and monitoring the projects.
"A project that is really interested in benefiting the country in which its operating in will not wait to get a report on their desk. They will also put in measures to ensure all is well. This would be true no matter where the project runs. Whether its in Africa or the West, there is always need for accountability. " - Agreed, as I said at the start the only reason I wrote about Africa was that was where my experience was. "


As you can see, lots of very interesting comments came from this discussion on top of the comments on the article itself.


Tuesday, 14 January 2014

Sustainability and Corruption in donor funded projects.

I wrote this article a couple of days ago and it attracted a lot of comments. Many of the comments focused on these two issues which I didn't go into in much detail, but they are very important to donor funded ICT projects.

These are somewhat controversial subjects so again I will keep from naming specifics.

Any donor funded project should be sustainable. That is it should continue to function when the donor leaves. Sounds obvious I know, but most people would be amazed at just how few do carry on working. Anybody who has like me, worked and traveled extensively in Africa will be able to recount stories of when this has failed. Here are just a few of mine:
  • Water pumps that cannot be maintained when they break down because there are no spare parts, no money or means to get them, nobody trained to fit them if they were available. 
  • Fields full of farm machinery (Tractors, Canadian sized combine harvesters etc) rotting away. Why? No spare parts, and nobody trained to maintain them.
  • I once visited a large hospital in East Africa which had a modern but non-functioning CT scanner. Again the reason given for its lack of functionality was that it had broken down and nobody could repair it. The hospital was losing considerable income from its not working. This income could easily have paid for a maintenance contract but nobody had arranged it. Lives were being lost in that area of East Africa because the only hospital with a CT scanner had no plan to maintain the scanner once it broke down. The hospital director told me that eventually somebody would donate a new one and the old one would be thrown away.
I am not finger pointing here, this is a story you will hear throughout Africa. In order for projects to be sustainable they have to generate some income, and that income has to be put back into the project in order to provide for the maintenance. For instance I saw a very good scheme in rural Tanzania where the donors had paid for a water pipeline bringing fresh water from a mountain spring many miles away. The local towns people were charged a few shillings (one shilling equals 0.00037 British pounds at current exchange rate) for the water. This money was used to pay local towns people to maintain the pipeline. The money stayed within the local community, and the water continues to flow to this day. Why can't a similar model be used for the above mentioned pumps?

I have seen projects providing hospitals with software. The hospitals were led to believe that the software was free, so no provision was made to support the system once it was installed. When bugs were found in the system there was nobody to fix them, and the software fell into misuse. However this software made the hospitals more efficient, improved their income, that income should have been used to fund local support for that software.

This is one of the reasons why billions of dollars in aid money floods into Africa but things never get better for its citizens.

The other reason is the corruption that follows these projects. I have over the years had conversations with people who have been found to have taken money from projects.  The common theme is always that they do not see it as stealing, or as something wrong. The best analogy I have is that aid money is seen like a river flowing down the mountain, and if you divert a little to irrigate your own field, then the water doesn't stop flowing, and you get a better harvest. The flaw with this argument is that the supply of money is finite and the river does stop flowing.

The best solution I have for this is closer and more rigorous scrutiny of the project by onsite managers who are appointed by the project donors to supervise the use of the money. Just the same as would be done with any commercial company when a budget is allocated to a project.

International aid is not working, but it can. It needs a change of attitude from both the donors and the receivers of the aid.

Monday, 13 January 2014

Updated Supplier Payments in KwaMoja

One frequently asked questions we get on the KwaMoja project is why you cannot just select the supplier items you want to pay, when you are making a payment to a supplier.

Well now you can:
As can be seen in the above screenshot, all open items are shown for the supplier. Checking those items adds it to the amount to be paid. If it is a credit or old payment, then the amounts will be deducted instead of added.

If the item is unchecked then the amount is deducted.

Once you hit the "Accept and Process Payment" button then the payment is posted and the items are allocated against this payment.

Saturday, 11 January 2014

ICT Aid projects in Africa - Why so many failures?

Before I start this article let me make a couple of statements:

Firstly my experience of donor funded ICT projects is limited to Africa, so by necessity any anecdotes in this article refer to projects in Africa. This isn't meant to indicate that any of the points I make are special to the continent of Africa, and are quite probably true of similar aid projects throughout the rest of the world.

Secondly I will mention no names of people, or institutions. This is an article about what I perceive as issues in many of the projects I have witnessed, either as an observer or as a participant, and is not intended as an indictment of any person, or institution.

Failure of ICT projects is not an uncommon thing. Most statistics seem to show a failure rate of between 50% and 70%. So Africa is not on its own in having these failures. However from my observations I have noticed specific areas in donor funded projects that seem to make these projects more liable to failure:
  • "We are a donor funded organisation so we shouldn't use for-profit companies". I have heard this a lot from the donor organisations. This means that they use charitable or religious organisations in order to do the ICT work. This means that local skilled people who happen to work in the commercial sector will not be able to participate in the project. For-profit companies tend to have a better understanding of the importance of meeting deadlines, and they have a reputation to keep up, which means that a successful completion of the project is to their advantage. Non-profit organisations tend to react more slowly and worry less about deadlines. This is a curious decision from the donor organisations as they are happy to hand over money to Toyota for their vehicles, Microsoft/Apple/Dell etc for IT products etc. but when it comes to the most important aspect of the project they limit themselves to the non-profits.
  • "The project should be staffed and managed by local people, and not by outsiders". This is a laudable intention, but does it make sense in this sort of project? As pointed out in the above point many of the quality project manager staff will be in the private industry. Also the fact that ICT projects are a newer idea in Africa than in the west, there is a limited number of qualified local project managers available.
  • Project employees are more interested in perpetuating the project than completing it. Donor funded projects generally pay much better in local terms than other employers. As the project is run by a local project manager, with local staff, then the major interest of these people is to make sure that the money continues to flow, rather than in getting the project completed. In fact, completing the project often goes against their personal interests. I know of several projects where the donors are taken on periodic "stage managed" tours to show that the work is really being done.
  • Projects encourage "cronyism". Too often have I seen projects staffed by the family and relations of the senior members of the non-profit institution charged with the running of the project. I even know of one project that is supposed to be writing software that doesn't employ a programmer as part of it's large staff.
  • Project aims are often too vague. I know of projects where the aim is to do something vague, such as "design and implement software for schools". Project aims should be specific, and the time scale should be set down at the start. 
My experience shows that projects should:
  1. Be managed by an external person employed by the donor organisation charged with meeting targets.
  2. Use the best resources available to them regardless of whether they are non-profit or for-profit.
  3. Set definite targets at the start, both in timescale and project goals. The project manager should be the person held accountable.
  4. Donor organisations should be firmer in their dealings on the ground. Too often I see donor organisations that take a far too "charitable" view of bad work. The project should be run as a commercial project. The original donors of the money deserve nothing less.
These thoughts are based on many years of watching the failings of such projects in Africa. Donor organisations need a radical change in how they view such projects.

Not all projects fail, there have been some outstanding successes but the failure rate is way too high.

Monday, 30 December 2013

Mimi kumshtaki

This page is written in response to the lies that +Phil Daintree has written about me, and spread on the internet. Despite years of searching he has been unable to find anything I have written that is untrue, and he has had to resort to vague generalities, faked emails, and badly fabricated screenshots (you can see the joins if you zoom in using any bit mapped image editor). +Phil Daintree  is welcome to make any comments to these pages, as he has done in the past. If I agree with what he says I will amend my writings, if I do not agree I have allowed his comments to stand next to mine so that people can make their own judgements. I have every confidence in the intelligence of readers to make a sensible judgement based on the facts. +Phil Daintree will not allow me the right of reply to any of the lies he has told about me. It seems to me significant that he realises that if people see both sides of the argument they will see through his lies.

On the odd occasion I manage to beat the censor and manage to give my advice to people on the webERP forums and mailing lists I find that +Phil Daintree removes the advice I give. As can be seen here:

http://weberp.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=1949
and http://weberp.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=1945

and many other places on that forum, my advice that I freely give just gets removed. I wasn't able to understand this until recently, when I got informed by several people that what happens is that once they have posted an issue to the mailing lists or forums +Phil Daintree writes privately to them saying he will give them the solution in return for money. This explains why he doesn't want me helping them for free as it undermines his business. Now I have no problem with people earning money out of the work I have done on webERP but if I give my advice for free on a forum supposedly meant for a free exchange of advice I think it should at lest be left there. I will leave it up to the readers to judge on the honesty and morality of a person who would act like this.

+Phil Daintree has taken to publishing private emails between us without first seeking my consent. Here http://weberp.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=2005&pid=4483#pid4483 and in one of his comments here http://weberpafrica.blogspot.com/2013/12/banned-for-trying-to-help-african.html for instance. Now there is nothing in t6hese emails that is either relevant or that I would not want published (indeed the first is an example of his stupidity in banning me from the forums) but it is generally accepted both in email and written correspondence that you don't publish private correspondence without the agreement of all parties. I will leave it up to the readers to judge on the honesty and morality of a person who would act like this.

+Phil Daintree has said that I was never banned on the forums. However this screenshot from the forum shows that he is telling yet another untruth:
As can be seen it is a lie that I have not ever been banned from the forum. I will leave it up to the readers to judge on the honesty and morality of a person who would act like this.

+Phil Daintree has said that he never refused to allow me to post my thoughts to the mailing list when a long term contributor to webERP died. Here is a screenshot:
Nearly 6 months on it has still not been accepted my the mailing list administrator (+Phil Daintree). As can be seen it is a lie that he has never stopped me sending my thoughts on Mo's death. I will leave it up to the readers to judge on the honesty and morality of a person who would act like this

The comments to this post include serious allegations against me and so I have forwarded details of this serious allegation against me to Windsor Engineering Group Limited (the employer of +Phil Daintree  ), the New Zealand online police department, the ACCA, and to my solicitors. - Tim

Friday, 27 December 2013

Project Mtuha on android.

Am very happy to announce that an android client for Project Mtuha our new open sourced health information system for Africa is being developed. Here is a preview of this client working on android device:


This fantastic app is being developed by Firas Ataya, Firas Tanan, Ammar Aranjy and Mostafa Natafji of the University of Damascus in Syria. We hope to have some very exciting news related to this project very soon.

Stay tuned!!

Tuesday, 3 December 2013

Banned for trying to help African hospitals improve services

This page is written in response to the lies that +Phil Daintree has written about me, and spread on the internet. Despite years of searching he has been unable to find anything I have written that is untrue, and he has had to resort to vague generalities, faked emails, and badly fabricated screenshots (you can see the joins if you zoom in using any bit mapped image editor). +Phil Daintree  is welcome to make any comments to these pages, as he has done in the past. If I agree with what he says I will amend my writings, if I do not agree I have allowed his comments to stand next to mine so that people can make their own judgements. I have every confidence in the intelligence of readers to make a sensible judgement based on the facts. +Phil Daintree will not allow me the right of reply to any of the lies he has told about me. It seems to me significant that he realises that if people see both sides of the argument they will see through his lies.

Earlier today I politely asked +Phil Daintree if I could mention Project Mtuha on the webERP forum and mailing list. The KwaMoja code is descended from webERP and so there is a great deal of webERP code in Project Mtuha. I asked him if he could come up with a form of words that was acceptable and I would use that  wording. Unfortunately not only did he say no, he has again banned me from helping webERP users on the forums and mailing lists, in order to stop me from mentioning our integrating our open source hospital for Africa.

The exact text of my email to him was :

"Subject: Project Mtuha

 Phil,

I would like to publicise this project on webERP. I realise you will
find a lot of things sensitive about it, so I am asking if you have
any ideas how this can be done to our mutual satisfaction?

Thanks
Tim"


I think it is clear that I was trying to be conciliatory, and at no point did I threaten to publicise the hospital system without the permission of +Phil Daintree  .


It is most disappointing that he should try to punish the webERP user base in this way.

It is also very strange as +Phil Daintree frequently uses the forums and mailing lists to promote his own commercial proprietary projects, while denying me the chance to put forward our open sourced free solution for African hospitals.

I thought we had moved past such silly behaviour when we spoke recently on the phone, but it seems Phil was not telling the truth. This is not the first time he has made such an agreement verbally and then reneged on it a short time later. It seems any agreement with him cannot be trusted!

It is typical of the way that +Phil Daintree works to make vague allegations and then when pressed for details he changes the subject. His tactics are to throw mud around and hope that some of it sticks. He has been proven again and again to be a liar and to be untrustworthy.